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INTERVIEW: Brian Cox on "The Bourne Supremacy"
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07/19/04 AT 6:30 A.M.
BY ETHAN AAMES
By Shawn Adler in Los Angeles Brian Cox says he thinks of himself as a big softie. Honestly, just based on
the roles he’s played on film, could you think of a man you would less
like to meet in a dark alley than Brian Cox? Sweet Mother Mary and Joseph this
guy plays tough men. Hannibal Lector? Agamemnon? William Stryker? These aren’t
soft people we’re talking about here. These men eat silver dollars and
crap out change. These men could kick your ass. I may not want to have to fight one of these characters, but as a film lover,
I’m damn glad Brian Cox is around to play ‘em. Brian recently sat down with Cinema Confidential in Los Angeles to discuss
his work on "The Bourne Supremacy," and to tell us why he’s
the most misunderstood nice guy in Hollywood. Q: You’ve done a remarkable job with films in this genre. I loved
you in "The Long Kiss Goodnight" and thought the humor you brought
to the role was fantastic. How is it different for you to approach a role like
this where you’re really playing it straight? BRIAN: Well, I think this character is a very identifiable character because
there are a lot of these men around at the moment. And they are making certain
decisions about our lives. So I don’t see it quite in the humor-ful vein,
as it were. It’s very interesting: When I started playing this role, I
had no idea where I was going. I knew there were these faceless guys –
who actually were more faceless then who’ve become less faceless subsequently.
The way Ward Abbott has developed has sort of mirrored what’s been going
on in American politick, shall we say? That to me is what’s quite interesting.
Q: When you did the first film, did you know they were setting up things
that could bring you back? BRIAN: I had no idea. It was a surprise to me. I knew there were these Bourne
books but, you know, we’ve only used the Lundum books as a sort of template.
We’ve kind of moved on from them – basically those books were about
Cold War. The present stories are more about now. But it has to have that feeling,
which is why the European, sort of minimalist feeling is very good. It’s
not like the usual blockbuster. It has a grainy verite, almost documentary feel
about it. The characters have developed. Of course, the nice thing about it
is that one has had a say a little bit in the development of the characters.
Q: Was there something you were able to do the second time around that you
wished you had been able to do the first time? BRIAN: Well, as I say the first time the character was much less declared,
which is also very good in terms of film acting. You can keep all your actions
open, because you don’t know where it’s going to go. In the first
film we did a lot of reshoots, and one of the reshoots we did was we actually
shot a whole end to the film where Ward’s character becomes much more
apparent. Now that became the springboard for the second movie. In fact, at
one time they thought they were going to use that scene to start the second
movie off. But it was great because it allowed me a marvelous way to get into
the second movie. I feel very good because I was able to not play all my eggs
in one basket in the first movie, and I think now in the second movie the character
really comes to fruition. It’s very interesting because in the same way
that Jason is being revealed these other characters are being revealed as well.
I think that’s one of the pluses of doing a sequel, particularly doing
a sequel in this style. Q: A lot of times sequels suffer if there is a different director brought
on board and this one surprisingly doesn’t. I wonder if you could observe
on the differences between the two directors [Doug Liman and Paul Greengrass]
and talk about what sort of energy Greengrass brought to this project. BRIAN: You know, back home in Britain he [Greengrass] has done a lot of amazing
television work, and he made a film called ‘Bloody Sunday.’ The
thing about Paul is that he’s very politically rooted as a filmmaker,
so he’s got a real sense of political drive. And I think that comes from
very much a British tradition, and I think Paul is very inherent in that. But
he’s actually now taken it to another level. I think it was difficult
for him. I think he had a tough time on this movie, because he’s never
worked in the so-called ‘Hollywood System’ before. But I think the
proof is in the pudding, and I think it’s amazing what he’s achieved.
We had a few different writers on this, which was part of the technique of how
these movies have evolved. So I think for Paul to come into that was very, very
hard. But he played it very well. He kept his counsel. He got quite exhausted,
but I think in the end it didn’t stop him from complimenting [the film]
and doing his great work. Q: So how much of your acting is directed, and how much is you? BRIAN: All that, that’s me. I mean, directors have no idea about that.
You have to understand: directors are very lucky to get you. They’ll pretend.
You always think about the auteur, you know, that he did this, gave you that
wonderful– bullshit. They don’t even notice that stuff half the
time. Q: Can you talk a little bit about working with Joan Allen, because she’s
such a great foil for you? BRIAN: She’s just one of the best actresses I’ve ever worked with.
It’s like playing tennis. What you always ask for is to have someone who
really knows how to volley, and Joan really knows how to do that. Hopefully,
I can reciprocate. We had a very good relationship. It was tough for Joan, again,
because she’s never really done this type of movie before. I’ve
done a lot of these kind of movies, so I know the territory. Joan comes from
much more psychologically based work, where you have to deal with facts. The
whole thing is much leaner. It’s all dealing with lean meat. There’s
no fat on this stuff, so you have to do everything in the meat. It’s all
in the meat. But there are different dynamics within that, which are quite exciting
to work with. She’s an actress, and a consummate one. This is a great
creation, but that’s not Joan Allen. That’s Joan Allen the actress.
I have nothing but admiration and I’d love to do something else with her.
Q: We’ve seen you play some real authoritarian characters –
in "X2" and in the "Bourne" movies, for example. A lot of
actors talk about the difficulty in playing against type. Will we ever see you
play something softer? BRIAN: I’d love to play something softer! I actually think of myself
as sort of a soft person. I don’t see myself as this kind of rather fierce,
authoritarian type person at all. I don’t think of myself in that line.
I am dying to play something really quite different. I’m actually doing a Woody Allen film at the moment, and I’m playing
someone who’s very upper-class, which is more difficult for me, actually,
than playing American! Q: Why is that? BRIAN: Well, because it’s all my demons, all my feudal demons. The nice
thing about living and working in America is that it’s a fundamentally
equalitarian society. It doesn’t matter what school you went to. Whereas,
even Woody Allen has written these characters, and they’re of a certain
type. I kept thinking this was the first time that anyone has ever offered me
anything posh. And of course it would only be an American who would do it, cause
he wouldn’t know the difference really. When I first came to LA years
and years ago, this is like 20 years ago, they said, "We’re going
to put you up for playing the Edward, the Duke of Windsor." I said, "I
can’t play the Duke of Winsdor." They said, "No, it’s
fine, he’s English." I’m Scots. That’s really hard. I’d
rather play a hick from some place in mid-Texas, than play the Duke of Windsor.
Q: You mentioned that you had some input into your character this time –
BRIAN: Well, basically, the point was that both Matt and I felt that there
had to be a showdown between those two characters, and in the original script
there wasn’t a showdown. Paul was of the feeling that there should be
a showdown. There was a great deal of contention and to-ing and fro-ing. When
I read the first script I thought there was stuff that really needed to be included.
I think eventually we got there. It’s an unusual form of movie making.
I mean, if you work with somebody like Bryan Singer you got the writers there
present all the time, and the scenes are constantly being reshaped as you go
along. This is a slightly different situation because Bryan was also producer/director.
Paul was director but not producer. Actually, it’s quite exciting. Apparently,
the film is quite good. I don’t know, I haven’t seen the film. Q: It’s exceptional. BRIAN: You know more about this film than I do! You know, I just do it, and
that’s also the great thing about it. I just do it. That’s why I
never watch films. If you could only see it from my point of view, it’s
very exciting. The doing of it is much more fun than the watching of it, because
you’ve got more possibilities. Q: So you don’t sit at home on weekends with the Brian Cox library?
BRIAN: Oh no. If I sat at home with a library of Brian Cox I would be very
disappointed. "The Bourne Supremacy" opens in theaters July 23rd.
This summer you can add another brilliant Cox creation to that list. Reprising
his role as shady CIA director Ward Abbott in "The Bourne Supremacy,"
Cox once again shows why he’s one of the best actors working today, infusing
believability and purpose into every scene.

