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INTERVIEW: Ben Affleck of "Paycheck"
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12/22/03 AT 12:30 P.M.
BY ETHAN AAMES
By Thomas Chau in New York City Ben Affleck has had an interesting year so far, both professionally and personally.
While it started with innocent tabloid pictures and articles about his relationship
with Jennifer Lopez, it later became a circus frenzy with rumors of a breakup
and their critically-bashed megabomb, “Gigli.” Still, though, he
proves that he has the megastar power with the success of “Daredevil”
back in February. He also proves that he still finds himself taking risks by
being involved in the filmmaking process with the second “Project Greenlight”
series to which he produced. Now, he’s ending the year with an explosive bang, where Affleck is teaming
up with director John Woo and Uma Thurman for “Paycheck.” The movie,
a sci-fi action movie based on the story by Philip K. Dick, is being released
on Christmas Day. Affleck plays Michael Jennings, a man who is hired by businesses
to develop high tech items and gadgets, and then has his memory erased in order
to protect the patent of whatever product he developed. When an old friend,
played by Aaron Eckhart, asks Jennings to dedicate three years of his life to
a top secret project, he agrees. But when he wakes up, he finds nothing is the
same, and that the only clues that can reveal anything about the past three
years are 19 mysterious items that he sent himself. The better half of "Bennifer," with a good sense of humor for the press, was in New York
City for a press conference and below is what he had to tell us about “Paycheck,”
as well as a lot of things going on with his life. Q: So Ben, what kind of frame of mind do you have to be in, in order to
put yourself in a sci-fi action role? BEN: Yeah, that was a stretch. You know, I fool around with computers
a lot, mostly breaking them instead of fixing them. I know a little bit about
that but most of this guy was a guy who was trying to discover himself and didn’t
remember three years of life. I used to drink a bit, so I know what it’s
like. It was mostly about trying to find things I could identify with about
this guy and there were some things, in terms of making trade-offs with his
work and being very focused on that. Still, like any science-fiction feature
movie, it requires a lot of imagination as well. Q: What about this film was different for you? BEN: For one thing, John Woo was directing in which, for my money, is close
to a guarantee as you can get that it’s going to be elevated. Also, the
fact that it was based on a short story by Philip K. Dick who’s an extremely
smart, compelling writer who also, I think, kind of transcended the science-fiction
genre in his previous work. “Total Recall,” “Blade Runner,”
and “Minority Report” – all of which have been more substantive,
intelligent, thoughtful movies rather than just simply show a lot of visual
hysterics. In that sense, it’s smarter and the logic holds up and I think
people will be surprised and say, “This will be an interesting, provocative
story.” It’s a tricky thing with expectations of movies. When it’s
too high, they’re almost doomed. But there’s a nice thing about
exceeding expectations that tend to work well for movies. I hope that will happen
with this one. I feel very good about it. Q: You said that this was an interesting, provocative movie. In your own
words, how would you describe that? BEN: Well I think it’s provocative in the sense that it asks thought
provoking questions. What is the nature of existence, for example? Are we just
the sum of a collection of memories? Or is the whole greater sum of the parts
a sense that we have a soul? Why do we want to know the future so badly? Throughout
history and memory cultures, whether it’s palm reading or tarot cards
or tea leaves or the Psychic Friends Network, we’re constantly trying
to divine our own future. It asks the question, “Is that a good thing
for us?” Does it mean that we’re trying to calm our own lives or
does it mean that we’re not enjoying our lives as they happen? All of
which I think are interesting and provocative questions that don’t get
asked in your typical Hollywood thriller. Q: Talk about working with John Woo and your expectations. BEN: One of the things that I expected about John Woo would be that he would
be this kind of a macho, shoot ‘em up, aggressive, testosterone-fueled
guy because his movies were so high-octane. Do people use that quote about movies all the time? Does anybody really know
what octane is? It’s like some additive that prevents pinging due to excessive
lead. Anyway, actually he’s the sweetest, gentlest, quiet man. A man of few
words. A man of enormous kindness and empathy. I heard he’s never even
shot a gun himself. I realized that he sees movies as a choreography of a dance.
A relationship between the performers and the camera. The movement is always
synchronized to a particular response to an audience that he’s trying
to get, be it suspense or suggest love or make the audience feel sorrow. It’s
all elaborately designed and quite graceful. It was a real education and for
somebody who would like to be a director, I learned an enormous amount from
John. Q: How about working with Uma Thurman? BEN: No complaints there! There’s nothing like waking up after three
years and discovering that you have no memory of your life, then finding out
that Uma Thurman’s your girlfriend? It’s started off well! She’s my age and she’s been successful and working for quite a
bit longer than I have. The way conducts herself is exemplary as a pro. She’s
on time, she never complains. She always asks questions but it’s always
focused on making the movie better. It’s never about the subtext of “I’m
insecure, I want attention so I want to create drama.” She’s an
exceptional actress and obviously of great beauty. You hate her yet? And…I got to ask her about “Kill Bill.” Like what her real
name is in “Kill Bill,” what happens in the second one, and why
they beeped it out. Of course, I can’t divulge any of that to you. UGO: So what are your own views about the future? Do you believe there is
such a thing about a predetermined future? BEN: No I think we have free will. I think we’re able to choose and
make our own fates. I think it has something to do with karma, and something
to do with God, and something to do with us and the choices we make. I’m
glad we have, both in us, the choice to do well and the choice to do things
poorly. UGO: So if you could look into a crystal ball and your own future, would
you choose to do it? BEN: I do know that I wouldn’t want to see the future if I could because
I would just obsess all the bad things that would happen to me and probably
lose the appreciation for the good things [because] I would know about them
already. Q: If you could erase from your memory a certain chunk of time, what would
that time be for you? BEN: I, since I was young, have had a lot of experiences that were certainly
trying for me. I don’t think I would want to erase any of it because ultimately,
I think it makes me who I am. I think for other people, it makes them who they
are. I know I’ve been through a lot, even this last year, which was marked
by a lot of tabloid hysteria and a lot of entertainment press overexposure.
I wouldn’t want to forget [it] because it provided me with a pretty unique
perspective on culture, media, and the world which is valuable, because it’s
a part of who I am. Just because things are a little bit unpleasant doesn’t
mean you should necessarily have to forget it. Q: Was your character’s love for the Red Sox in the original script? BEN: In the original script, my character loves the Mets. (Laughs) I couldn’t
abide that personally and I made the argument to John that I also thought [the
Red Sox] worked better in a movie about the future and erasing painful memories.
The only teams that really make that joke work are the Cubs and the Red Sox
and I’m biased. (Laughs) Q: What’s the status of “Project Greenlight 3”? BEN: It’s going to Bravo. I don’t know if there’s a press
announcement yet but it should basically be there. We locked in some really
great sponsors, including Hewitt Packard, and we’re talking to some more.
Bravo’s really aggressive in trying to do it and they really get the spirit.
We’re going to make some changes to the contest this year. This year,
it’s going to be more like the Hollywood Greenlight. With “Greenlight,”
I think what we’ve kind of shown is how people have made the true process
of making an independent movie. We’re going to show what it’s like
how to make a movie in the studio system this year. So it’ll have different
demands and constraints on the filmmakers. Chris [Bender] didn’t want
to do it this year so we need a new bad guy. So we figured the movie studio
is a good bad guy. The movie studios are the ones who are saying “You
have to do this, you have to have these commercial constraints. You can’t
play this. No, this joke is too smart.” [These are] all the things that
you get from studios who think that dumbing a movie down appeals to a mass audience.
There’s a lot of stuff that we haven’t worked out but it’s
really exciting and something that matters a lot to Matt [Damon,] me, and Chris.
Who knows? Maybe people will go to this movie this year. (Laughter) Everyone
always asks about “Greenlight” but did you guys buy any g*ddamn
tickets for the movie when it came out? (Laughter) Q: We have to ask the question about “the wedding”… BEN: It’s legal now in Massachusetts. Matt and
I have set a date and we’re getting married on New Years Day! I like to
call it a commitment ceremony. It’s non traditional. I’m not sure
what side of the aisle I’m going to be on but I tell you what, when you
find out, it’ll tell you something about my intimate life. (Laughs) Other than that, I’ve discovered - one of the many lessons I’ve
learned in this year of being exposed to the press more than I have in the past
– that it’s a story that’s big enough on it’s own and
doesn’t need my help. It’s not something I’m going to talk
about too much because I would like it to sort of die down a little bit. Q: Are you still officially engaged or what? BEN: We’re still together and I’m ... I'm officially not going to tell
you anymore. (Laughs) That is my official answer. I feel like the Pentagon.
(in a deep voice) That’s national security. It’ll happen at an undisclosed
location. Q: Since “Good Will Hunting,” has it been difficult to find
a project that has as much honesty in the script now that you’ve had a
string of successful blockbuster pictures? BEN: That’s a very interesting question and a very astute one. What happens
a lot of times is that people get in a situation where they do movies in a certain
way and then they get to some level and they’re afraid to go down. They’re
afraid to take risks outside of that genre because then, they would have lost
what they have achieved by taking risks. Something I’ve really tried consciously
to do is to do different kinds of movies, [like] Hollywood movies, which I like,
and are fun action thrillers, and stuff like that, but to vary those with movies
that are risky. Some of those movies have worked, in my opinion, like “Changing
Lanes” or “Jersey Girl,” and some haven’t, like “Gigli.”
One of the things that I liked about the train wreck of “Gigli”
was that it was evident to me that I was still taking risks. I was still trying
to do those things. But in terms of honesty, I think what you’re talking
about his material and I just haven’t found a writer with a screenplay
that’s as good as “Good Will Hunting.” That’s a joke!
Write that down! “Affleck’s an asshole.” Q: You’ve had a good sense of humor about “Gigli” and
we’re coming up on the Razzies… BEN: Which I’m sure we’ll sweep! (Laughs) Can we bet on that? I
hope they send me a real trophy. I hope they just don’t give me a piece
of tin to put up on my mantle. UGO: Being that you’ve been in two sci-fi/fantasy movies this year,
if you could have one superhero power, what would you choose and why? BEN: Well, sometimes I think invisibility wouldn’t be that bad. I used
to get asked that question and I always picked flying. And now, well, I’m
thinking there may be something to this invisibility thing. But I watched “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen” on pay-per-view
last night and it occurred to me that the guy had to be naked all the time in
order to be invisible, which I think is a health hazard, as well as probably
inconvenient and cold. Spider-Man has cool powers because they’re kind of subtle but I think
you have to opt for the Superman thing. You never want to be like Batman cause
he had no powers. All he had was a suit and gadgets. “Paycheck” opens in theaters December 25th.

